Coming up live on "The View," the most decorated the U.S. skater
ever, Michelle Kwan is showing off some different moves as our celebrity
guest co-host. (A clip of Michelle jumping during The Feeling
Begins at Nationals is shown) And one out of three women will
die of heart disease. So find out lifesaving steps you can take
now to protect yourself against the number one killer of women.
In a triple dose of hot topics. Plus Bill Maher. And "The View "
fans that are putting the hottest new diets to the test are stepping
on the scale live and finding out if their hard work is paying off.
All that and more next on "The View."
The ladies come out
from backstage to a cheering audience. Michelle is in the front
of the line. She is wearing a black halter top with yellow and pink
butterflies, and black pants. She looks very happy. Behind her is
Star Jones, then Meredith Vieira, and finally, Joy Behar. They sit
in their chairs behind the desk. From left to right it's Meredith,
Starr, Joy, and Michelle. Michelle picks up and then puts down her
A little more, a little more! (Michelle looks at the Michelle
Kwan Forum contingent, and smiles. Joy also looks over to the group.
At this point, the camera doesn't show the MKFers.) Hello everybody
and welcome to "The View." You know Michelle Kwan may be the most
decorated figure skater in U.S. History. (Crowd cheers loudly,
and then a clear shot of the MKF group is shown) but today she's
with us, baby. The ice is thin here. Please welcome our guest co-host
Michelle Kwan. (Crowd cheers loudly, the camera does a closeup
of Michelle.) Welcome!
Thank you. (She laughs and once again looks towards the MKFers)
you have so much support here. You have your own personal fan club.
Mark, can we get a shot of them.
SJ: Yea! (The
camera once again shows the 4 rows of the audience where the MKF
group is sitting. The MKFers go crazy, and hold up their signs.)
MK: The MK Forum.
They're everywhere! They're everywhere. (A closeup of Susan and
Sarah holding up the "We're proud Michelle" MKF sign is shown. And
then the camera pans back out to show the full group, and you see
barbara's "Michelle is Kwanderful" sign. The ladies are all talking
at once, saying "Wow," "That's great," etc.)
MV: It's great.
Do they follow you?
MK: When I was
in Hong Kong I saw a few of them, and it's... (Everyone laughs)
Joy Behar: The
MK: No! (Throws
her head back, laughs, and makes a "nah" motion with her hand.)
Star Jones: Now,
you should know, we've had lots of major celebrity co-hosts,
I don't think I've received as much mail (MKFers laugh) about
a celebrity co-host…
SJ: …as I have
from the Michelle Kwan fan club (LOL, a vent from Heather, it's
the MK Forum, not fan club, but whatever.)
MK: I'm a huge
fan of The View….
SJ: Stop writing
please! (Audience laughs) OK?
MK: …I'm so glad
to be here. (Hits her hands on the table to emphasize point.)
MV: Nobody likes
to hear the word club and ice skater in the same sentence…
SJ: I know. Woohoo!
MV: …but here
it's ok. It's OK.
SJ: She told
us it was before her time.
MV: Oh yea
SJ: I tried to
get the whole scoop on Tonya Harding. She was like, who? (Michelle
JB: What I want
to hear is that you've recently been to Hong Kong. Have you? (Ladies
and audience laugh)
MK: Yea, actually,
JB: And do you
have a dry cough? (Ladies and audience laugh)
head) My grandfather is actually in Hong Kong, and I have an
uncle that lives there, but…
JB: Tell them
to come here, (Michelle sighs) right away, and stay in the
hospital for a while.
MV: What have
they been saying? Have you spoken to them about SARS, and the whole
MK: They're not
too scared about it. They said, "oh, I wear the mask, (she moves
her hand over her mouth) and I take all my precautions, and
that's it." But that's all you can do, I guess?
JB: Well, the
World Health Organization has lifted the, this ban from Toronto,
which is what I was saying just the other day, so…
MV: Once they
heard The View, they obviously…
JB: They heard
me, they heard me.
SJ: They are
watching the show, absolutely.
JB: Now, last
night, I went to see Bill Maher, who is a guest on the show today.
You know, Politically Correct, and now he's on HBO doing his show.
And he was hilarious. I really would recommend that you go see the
show. It's very political, it's very funny.
MV: Which is
what you love.
JB: I love it.
And he really just nails the whole situation that we're in, you
know. But, he also talks about sex, you know, duh. (Ladies and
audience laugh) And he was talking about, how, and this I couldn't,
I have to ask him later, but I wanted to bring it up to the girls.
He says that men have these more sexual fantasies. I won't even
say what they are, because they are disgusting. (Some laughter)
And, uh, but women, they're going in slow motion in the park. And
you know, they're planting tulips. And then, maybe there's an actual
sexual act in this fantasy. I don't know, is that true?
SJ: What women
does he know?
MV: Yea, really.
(Laughter) I'm fantasizing that the kids don't walk in in
the middle of it, that's what I'm fantasizing about.
MK: I don't even
want to know what the men fantasy about.
JB: You don't?
MK: Yea, it's…
SJ: Parks and
stuff like that? There are kids and pollen.
--Starr, Joy, and
Meridith talk more about this, but since it's long, and Michelle
doesn't say anything, I'll leave that part out, and cut back in
when Michelle chimes in--
JB: You're drinking
wine in the park, you're running around in the park, you're taking
MK: You take
the first step, and then there's more, right?
JB: Right. What
about foreplay? See, this is what men leave out in their fantasies,
the foreplay. They go right to the entree. That's wrong. (Ladies
and audience laugh) You need an appetizer.
SJ: Wait a minute,
wait a minute, I can't resist. I'm on a diet. I don't need the appetizer.
Go straight on the entree.
MK: Right to
the desert, I say. (Laughs)
JB: I know what
you were doing last night.
SJ: You know
exactly what I was doing. I was watching American Idol. That is
my show. (Audience and Michelle applauds) And I got a partner
in crime here (points to Michelle.) Cause Michelle Kwan and
MK: Aww, Ruben.
(Brings arms to her heart)
SJ: We love Ruben.
Don't we love Ruben?
MK: Aww, big
hug. (Makes a big hugging motion.)
SJ: But, you
know, it's getting down to the wire, you guys.
MV: How many
SJ: There are
five left. One will be dumped tonight.
SJ: And, um,
who do you have your money on as geting out? (This is said directly
MK: I would say
Josh. (Shakes her head yea.)
SJ: Josh is about
JB: Which one
MV: Oh the marine?
MK: He's cute
SJ: Yea, he's
definitely abot to go.
MK: He just looked
so nervous yesterday.
SJ: They were
not very nice to him last night.
SJ: They were
a little critical. But, everything is stepped up. The top 50,000
people came before these last five. And it's really about who's
going to sell some records when it's all over. I think Ruben would
sell the most records.
SJ: I'd buy his
MV: Are you talking
about the commercial
SJ: Yea, you
know, it's not American Broadway. It's American Idol for pop.
JB: But they
bought Madonna's albums based on her videotapes, I think, more than
on her voice or singing.
SJ: You think?
JB: Yeah. I think
they bought it based on her whole persona.
MK: Well, I bought
Madonna's CDs just because I think she's got a great personality,
she's crazy, and you're just interested in what she has to say.
JB: Yeah, but
that's image, though, and not talent...
MV: But all of
Ruben is great, I don't think his body size is a negative at all.
JB: Neither do
I, but that's where they're at...
I'll take Barry White any day of the week.
JB: Barry White,
I love him. He never sings, he just talks for days. (laughter)
He goes "Baby, you know what I'm going to do to you, baby?" You're
doing it already! (laughter) He goes "Baby, you know what
I'm going to do? I'm going to take you and..." Come on, already!
You were talking about foreplay.
JB: I know, but
there's a limit. (changing subject, she holds up newspaper)
This is a couple that I saw in the papers today, Calista and Harrison
are in the paper. Did you see this? Okay, here's the thing about
it that killed me. (she reads from newspaper) "Acting power
couple Harrison Ford and Calista Flockhart arrived at the Pierre
Hotel yesterday, sponsored by City Harvest to benefit New York's
SJ: Don't do
JB: Does this
girl think she's getting a lifetime achievement award here?
SJ: She's not
MK: She looks
so healthy. (picture of Harrison and Calista is shown)
SJ: She really
does look beautiful.
MK: I like them
together, they're cute.
JB: Honey, if
she had a meatball, she'd look pregnant. (laughter)
MK: She's beautiful.
JB: Look, she's
a gorgeous girl in the Audrey Hepburn genre, but, to raise money
for the hungry? Come on. (laughter)
SJ: She's not
I love it!
SJ: I knew you
JB: Who else?
MV: That's it.
JB: That's it?
What about Al Pacino and Winona Ryder, they're also a couple. You
have anything to say about that?
SJ: None whatsoever.
JB: Did you know
they were going together? (audience groans)
JB: Look, the
audience is upset.
needs love. What the world needs now is love.
JB: I think that
he will help her, because if she gets caught in Saks again, he can
say "Just when you thought they were out, they pulled you back in"
MV: All right.
It's better that she should steal his heart than to steal merchandise.
MV: All right.
Joy has to get, oh, I'm embarrassed to say this, she has to get
a big old mole removed and it's in a really bad place.
I can't believe that setup, that was horrible!
MV: It's pretty
ugly and all. We'll be right back.
MV: All right,
Joy, I understand that you have a mole that needs to be removed.
JB: Well, it's
not one mole. It seems like there are dozens of them. But they're
in my yard, under the ground. (laughter) She thought she
(pointing to Meredith) was cute, right, making it like it
was all over my body.
Don't blame me, I'm the messenger.
MK: I was going
to say, you do (have a mole).
MV: Yeah, you
JB: I do have
this one (points to mole on her neck), but I can't have that
removed either, because I'm too scared... So, the exterminator came,
because you know, he's on retainer, and I have, you know, all sorts
of animals in my ...
SJ: She has voles,
and moles, and possums...
MV: You're in
the country, animals live in the country...
JB: And he said
to me, "We have to kill your moles, because they're tearing up your
lawn," and I said, "No, I can't."
JB: And I found
out that they're blind. It's their little canes... (laughter)
They're blind... I can't kill the little moles. What about you,
SJ: You just
want me to say that I'd kill the moles. (laughter) You want
me to act like I'm Cruella de Ville. I'm wearing black and white
today, right? ... (more seriously) I mean, is it bad? Did
the exterminator say that...
JB: He said we
should do it. I have a picture of them. Wait till you see what they
SJ: Okay, let
me see what they look like... (picture of cute mole is shown,
MV: That's sweet.
They gotta go.
MV: There must
be alternatives to killing them, which you can check into first.
SJ: What are
you going to do, put them on a bus and send to the next town? (laughter)
JB: You know
what, it's a good thing that they're blind, because if they ever
saw what they looked like, they would kill themselves. (laugher)
MK: You know
what they remind me of, you know that game at Chuck E. Cheese, where
the moles pop up and you hammer them in... (makes cute hammering
MK: That's what
they look like. Are you going to take that little hammer and go...
(makes cute hammering gesture)
SJ: No hammering,
that's bad. (laughter)
MV: Gas them,
that's okay, just gas them... We had an infestation of squirrels
in our house in the attic, a lot of squirrels. They came up with
these cages. They would catch them and they would take them out
into the woods, and release them.
SJ: Do they come
MV: Well, they
take them far away to someone else's area. (laughter)
at Joy) Give me an alternative, if there are little cages for
them, I'll say fine.
JB: No, there
is no alternative. They're either dead, or your lawn is all torn
SJ: You know
what's so interesting, I don't have them. They must know. (laughter)
They know, that she (referring to herself) is not to be messed
at Joy) Do you have ants? Do you kill ants?
head) I don't have ants.
SJ: I used to
MK: I have lots
MV: Now, there
is a law in Germany, if you kill ants, you know, an ant hill or
a subterranean ant nest, they will fine you, it is against the law.
JB: The Germans
are so compassionate to animals. (laughter)
MV: You have
to move the ant hill into the forest, because they have nature preservation
laws, and the ants actually eat the bad insects that normally you
use pesticides on, because pesticides are not environmentally safe.
MV: I think it's
a good thing. What's wrong with that?
SJ: It's just
something weird about Germany. (laugher) Let's move the ants...
Anytime Germany is moving any group of anything anywhere, I'm a
little nervous, okay? (laughter)
subject) Okay, I actually have an announcement, remember last
week when we showed you how to auction online, The View mug, remember
we put that up, well it fetched almost $3000 for UNICEF. (applause)
Linda Daugherty had the winning bid. Someone actually bid $1009.99
on eBay. That's Linda Daugherty. Elaine Buckingham paid $995 bucks
on Amazon, and Eve Johnson forked over $999 on Yahoo!.
JB: So three
people, basically came up with all the money.
MV: But thank
you all so much for your generous donations, we greatly appreciate
subject) You know what, I know, you all have your own personal
problems, we all do, and I hate to put this weight on you, but most
of you in this audience are actually addicts. And this is true,
according to a recent Harris Poll, over 90% of women admit that
they have soft addictions, like over-eating, impulse shopping, and
watching too much TV. But the number one soft addiction is procrastination.
JB: I have a
soft addiction, I'm attracted to Bob Dole. (laughter) No,
seriously, I'm sorry, go ahead...
MV: You know
we have these addictions, but, women outlive men by almost five
years now, part of it is because men don't go to the doctors as
much as the women do, and they're more likely to be in prison or
homeless or using illegal drugs, and when you come to men of color,
the discrepancy is even bigger. This is actually disturbing: white
women outlive black men by almost twelve years. The health officials
are calling it a major crisis.
MK: I have one
MK: It's the
menstrual cycle that makes the woman live longer. That's my theory.
MK: I don't
know. It cleanses, and it's kind of like exfoliating, and...
JB: It's exfoliating?
I think I'm leaving now. (gestures to leave)
SJ: So, what
are we, snakes, we get rid of our skin...
MV: So what happens
when we stop, then?
JB: We don't.
MV: So maybe
she's saying that we got all that built up exfoliation, so that's
why we have those extra years.
SJ: (in agreement)
So that gives us the extra years.
at MK) What if you're exfoliating while you're skating? (laughter)
MK: You'll live
really really long! But I don't think the judges will really like
at MK) Do you think the ice has preserved you all these years?
MK: That is
what my coach always said, you know, the cold...
at MK in admiration) She is the cutest thing!
SJ: (in amazement)
She can jump up in the air, three times, and come down, and not
fall, that's the craziest thing I've ever heard!
from audience, camera zooms into MKF section)
We should take skating lessons sometime, all of us...
SJ: I mean, to
do that, or hit a baseball... or pole-vaulting, those are the three...
at Star) Where did you come up with those three?
SJ: No, I saw
it! (looking at Viewmaster) Pole-vaulting, can you pole-vault?
Shut-up. (laughter) I read it in the newspaper, honestly!
Jerry, our researcher, will you pull this? They did a whole thing
on the hardest things that you can do: hit a baseball, and pole-vaulting,
and several other things. Y'all need to read more. (laughter)
MV: Okay, Jerry
is going to pull that right now. (changing subject) Okay,
something serious now, women can live even longer if they took care
of their hearts, because heart disease, I think you know it, is
the number one killer. If you don't, then you need to know it. Dr.
Goldberg joins us with some life-saving tips when we come back with
even more hot topics. (applause)
It is on the cover of this weeks Time magazine, Heart Disease is
the number one killer of women in America. In fact it claims the
lives of more women than any form of cancer, yet only 8% of American
women realize it. Why? And what can we do to guarantee ourselves
a healthy heart. Well hear to help us out is Dr. Nieca Goldberg
author of Women are not Small Men. Welcome to you Dr. Goldberg
Dr. Nieca Goldberg:
Thank you (Applause)
MV: First of
all, why are so many women unaware of the threat facing them, heart
NB: Because most
women think their greatest health threat is either breast cancer,
ovarian cancer or osteoporosis
MV: and why is
NB: Because for
a long time, even the medical community has promoted heart disease
as a man's disease. I remember back in medical school, I would sit
in class and they would tell me the typical patient having a heart
attack is a 165 pound businessman clutching his chest.
JB: Type A
NB: Type A
JB: Type A personality
NB: Type A ,
businessman. And when I went into medical practice I found out not
only was it incorrect, but in medical school they eliminated 50%
of the population. but the women would have heart disease and they
often wouldn't have the symptoms of chest pressure, they would have
shortness of breath without any pain at all. Or pressure lower down
in the chest. One of my patients had some pressure lower down in
her chest, she's only in her forties. She went to spinning class
thought she had a stomach ache, got off the bike, didn't get any
better, went to the hospital, and found out she had a heart attack.
Or sometimes they have upper pressure in their back of very low
MV: So because
the symptoms are different and women have never been taught what
the symptoms are to look out for, they wouldn't even know if they
were suffering from any kind of…..
NB: That's right
JB: Did it have
anything to do with the spinning class? (Laughter)
MK: That's what…
NB: No It had
a lot to do with the fact she was a smoker and she had a high stress
SJ: And interestingly
enough I looked at some of the other things, there's naeausa, and
dizziness, that could also be a problem. You talked about lower
chest discomfort but upper abdominal…
NB: upper abdominal,
lower chest sometimes, it's hard the location could be the same.
It's a lot less threaten or less scary to think about having a stomach
ache than it is heart attack. But I think women need to know these
symptoms because if we, women know the symptoms and sort of what
they can do about their hearts, that'll prevent them from having
a heart attack in the future.
JB: Well, there's
a genetic connection too, I mean. my mother
JB: My mother
had her first heart attack when she was fifty and umm so I'm a caniadtae
NB: That's right
JB: That's why
I watch my cholesterol
NB: that's right,
if you have a family history of heart disease, you increase your
risk by 25%to 50%. My father had heart disease when he was early
so I became keenly aware of how to prevent heart disease.
MV: But You say
also women in different age groups there are things they can specifically
do to reduce the risk so
MK: Like at age
20, I'm like I don't think of heart disease or heart attack
NB: that's right,
that's the last thing you are going to think about especially for
someone like you who exercises and is very healthy. But most women
don't realize that when you're twenty, you should be having your
first cholesterol test. So we'll know early on what your cholesterol
MK: what I read,
50% of a chance more likely to die of a first heart attack I don't
understand why umm, women it says right here that women usually
die… wait, women has a heart attack there's a 50% chance more likely
than a man
JB: that she
MK: yea, 50%
NB: Believe it
or not half the women having heart attacks in out country don't
even make it to the hospital because their first symptom is total
collapse. And that could have been prevented, because many of them
have risk factors for heart disease that should have been picked
up earlier, like smoking and high blood pressure
MV: So in your
twenties your saying get the cholesterol test, I'm in my thirties
what should I be doing? (Audience laughs)
SJ: First thing
you should do is not be delusional (Laughter)
MV: that's what's
keeping me healthy
NB: When you're
in your thirties you start to pick up family responsibilities and
things like that and you start to take less care of yourselves.
And so you slack off on exercise and that's something you have to
be careful about not doing. The other thing is women who are in
their thirties and have a hysterectomy early on are at a higher
risk of heart disease, they should really get some baseline testing
and be counseled by their doctors. Unfortunately most of the studies
have show that when women go to their doctors, doctors only counsel
them about exercise 30% or diet or getting their cholesterol checked
30% of the time. If your doctor doesn't talk to you about it, what
you need to do is ask for it.
SJ: Dr. Goldberg
I'm 40 and overweight African-American women, so I am very clear
that I'm in the risk factors
NB: that's right,
you have a higher risk of having heart disease but women over the
age of 45 in our country about half the women over that age have
high blood pressure
SJ: and I don't
Dr. Goldberg: that's good. and if they go to the doctor and get
medication for their blood pressure sometimes they have side effects
because like the book says women are not small men, the dosages
need to be downsized a bit, and sometimes women just stop taking
the medicine without telling their doctors and so their blood pressure
is still high.
SJ: So watch
your blood pressure is a big deal
NB: so watch
your blood pressure and also the tendency to gain weight around
the middle that's highly associated with having high blood pressure,
high cholesterol and diabetes.
JB: OK what happens
when you're in your fifties and you stop exfoliating. (Everyone
NB: we need to
eliminate this misperception that you're guaranteed to have a heart
attack at menopause because of lack of estrogen, that's not true,
because if you've been taking care of yourself this time by getting
your risk factors checked you can prevent a heart attack
JB: that was
the big scandal with the estrogen replacement, it doesn't help your
heart at all, they've been giving us a line of bull
NB: That's right
and promoting this one stop shopping for women's health. You know
what if there are so many risk factors, it's not even unreasonable
to think that one pill can take care of it. But if you're fifty
and you haven't been checked out and had your cholesterol and blood
pressure checked and you're actually thinking of starting an exercise
program, your doctor, and you've never exercised before, your doctor
should probably do a stress test on you, an exercise test….
MV: I think with
hormone replacement is that as the research catches up they realized
things that they thought were correct years ago are no longer correct
JB: they're not
saying it's useless for everything except hot flashes that's the
only reason to take it and it and it might even hurt you.
MV: I think the
message here to is women need to educate themselves, the medical
profession needs to educate itself and until then we have to be
proactive as women
NB: they have
the power to make the change
Our Thanks to Nieca Goldberg, we'll be right back with Bill Maher.
I still need to add
the Bill Maher segment
Michelle wasn't on
the stage for the segment on dieting, so no need for a transcript
of this section
MV: And welcome
back… Did you have fun Michelle?
MK: I had a great
MV: You were
great. (Audience cheers and applauds) Right on the (cheering
muffles the rest of what she is saying.) And Star was right.
The most difficult sport.
SJ: USA Today
wanted the most difficult sport #3 pole vaulting #6 landing a quad!!!
Thank you very much! (Audience cheers)
applauding) Be sure to watch Michelle Kwan on the ongoing Champions
On Ice tour through June 1st. Tomorrow Janine Garafalo, my celebrity
wedding, and Bernie Mac. Have a great day enjoy The View!
to LaTasha, torialynne, and Sunnyskate for helping me with
screencaptures from the interview. Also, check out Susan's,
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